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		<title>Comment on Pocket Centered Care by tdaly</title>
		<link>http://kinslerpress.com/blog/2013/04/pocket-centered-care/#comment-57799</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 15:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points as always Dr. Duncan. I&#039;m not certain I made it clear in the posting or not, but I in no way am saying that all cases of low back pain are a quick fix! I do not have any magic treatments that any other office does not, and don&#039;t want to come off that way. So I apologize for any confusion you or anyone else may have had while reading. Simply put, many cases of acute low back pain with/without radiation can take a good deal of treatment over several weeks to resolve.  It can take many different treatments over a course of time to return someone to a functional status. We are certainly in agreement there.

I do believe as well that some offices use prepayment plans responsibly,  But from what I have seen thus far I am still not sold on them.  While not everyone is insured, many people do work hard and pay a lot of money for health insurance.  A massive investment in healthcare that isn&#039;t covered by insurance treads into fishy water.  The predefined treatments may allow the patient to seek care regularly as well as be tied into a long term treatment plan, but it can also provide stress in other areas, particularly financial.  Depending on the payment, I am also weary on how much of a discount (if any) these plans offer. As a mentioned, with our office fees (which are fairly mid-level) someone can be seen 20 times without insurance and still not break the $1000 mark.  If the programs I have heard of in the past were under $1000 then we&#039;d be on the same page, but I frequently see numbers ranging from $2000-$3000.  I do not understand how anyone can justify that cost, which was the reason for the post.

The posting was to serve as a PSA for the dozens of patients I have seen who fell into this trap (I&#039;ve been practicing for a year, it comes up way too often.) I know there are many doctors operating under real ethics who use the plans to reach populations that are underserved or would could benefit from a cash based plan. However, I cannot stand seeing the minority (I hope minority...) of offices take advantage of these patients. I think as a profession we can do better.  

Always happy to see you reading and taking part in the postings Dr. Duncan, and glad to hear you&#039;re operating with the patient in mind.  My hope is that more of our colleagues will follow suit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points as always Dr. Duncan. I&#8217;m not certain I made it clear in the posting or not, but I in no way am saying that all cases of low back pain are a quick fix! I do not have any magic treatments that any other office does not, and don&#8217;t want to come off that way. So I apologize for any confusion you or anyone else may have had while reading. Simply put, many cases of acute low back pain with/without radiation can take a good deal of treatment over several weeks to resolve.  It can take many different treatments over a course of time to return someone to a functional status. We are certainly in agreement there.</p>
<p>I do believe as well that some offices use prepayment plans responsibly,  But from what I have seen thus far I am still not sold on them.  While not everyone is insured, many people do work hard and pay a lot of money for health insurance.  A massive investment in healthcare that isn&#8217;t covered by insurance treads into fishy water.  The predefined treatments may allow the patient to seek care regularly as well as be tied into a long term treatment plan, but it can also provide stress in other areas, particularly financial.  Depending on the payment, I am also weary on how much of a discount (if any) these plans offer. As a mentioned, with our office fees (which are fairly mid-level) someone can be seen 20 times without insurance and still not break the $1000 mark.  If the programs I have heard of in the past were under $1000 then we&#8217;d be on the same page, but I frequently see numbers ranging from $2000-$3000.  I do not understand how anyone can justify that cost, which was the reason for the post.</p>
<p>The posting was to serve as a PSA for the dozens of patients I have seen who fell into this trap (I&#8217;ve been practicing for a year, it comes up way too often.) I know there are many doctors operating under real ethics who use the plans to reach populations that are underserved or would could benefit from a cash based plan. However, I cannot stand seeing the minority (I hope minority&#8230;) of offices take advantage of these patients. I think as a profession we can do better.  </p>
<p>Always happy to see you reading and taking part in the postings Dr. Duncan, and glad to hear you&#8217;re operating with the patient in mind.  My hope is that more of our colleagues will follow suit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pocket Centered Care by Dr. Duncan</title>
		<link>http://kinslerpress.com/blog/2013/04/pocket-centered-care/#comment-57371</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I understand where you are coming from.  Let me just interject a little bit of an alternative view.   &quot;You’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”  Prepay can also be in the patients best interest.  Not all prepay plans are bad.  

Speaking about decompression, the research indicates that to achieve best clinical results about 20 visits is a minimum.  Much of the research recommends daily visits initially, but 3 times a week, again, as a minimum.  Tapering off treatment nearer the end is also recommended.  If doctors follow research and vary only slightly due to patient need then minimum treatment could easily run 2-3 months.  If the doctor is also doing appropriate re-examinations to make sure the patient is progressing as expected then that treatment plan would easily add up to thousands.  Providing a discount to payers by allowing them to pay up front allows them to pay less than they otherwise would.  This is for the benefit of the patients wallet as well as their health both offering a discount in cost and following evidence based guidelines.  In the few states that I have practiced in it is also required by law to refund the remainder of prepayments if not used and inform the patient of that option prior to taking such payments, thus allowing the patient freedom to withdraw from the prepay.

Another side benefit to the patient is that they are also more likely to complete the full treatment plan having already paid for it.  Some times patients will stop coming before their treatment is done because they &quot;feel good.&quot;  Similar to the patient who stops taking their antibiotic medication before they are supposed to; they may do more harm than good by not finishing their treatment.  It may end up costing even more if the issue is not fully resolved and they then have to get further, possibly more complicated treatment.  

I don&#039;t like prepay plans, but use them occasionally for patients who could not otherwise afford care.  So there are docs out there doing prepay plans because they are looking out for our patients and not for their wallets.  I&#039;d be happy to discuss further if interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I understand where you are coming from.  Let me just interject a little bit of an alternative view.   &#8220;You’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”  Prepay can also be in the patients best interest.  Not all prepay plans are bad.  </p>
<p>Speaking about decompression, the research indicates that to achieve best clinical results about 20 visits is a minimum.  Much of the research recommends daily visits initially, but 3 times a week, again, as a minimum.  Tapering off treatment nearer the end is also recommended.  If doctors follow research and vary only slightly due to patient need then minimum treatment could easily run 2-3 months.  If the doctor is also doing appropriate re-examinations to make sure the patient is progressing as expected then that treatment plan would easily add up to thousands.  Providing a discount to payers by allowing them to pay up front allows them to pay less than they otherwise would.  This is for the benefit of the patients wallet as well as their health both offering a discount in cost and following evidence based guidelines.  In the few states that I have practiced in it is also required by law to refund the remainder of prepayments if not used and inform the patient of that option prior to taking such payments, thus allowing the patient freedom to withdraw from the prepay.</p>
<p>Another side benefit to the patient is that they are also more likely to complete the full treatment plan having already paid for it.  Some times patients will stop coming before their treatment is done because they &#8220;feel good.&#8221;  Similar to the patient who stops taking their antibiotic medication before they are supposed to; they may do more harm than good by not finishing their treatment.  It may end up costing even more if the issue is not fully resolved and they then have to get further, possibly more complicated treatment.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like prepay plans, but use them occasionally for patients who could not otherwise afford care.  So there are docs out there doing prepay plans because they are looking out for our patients and not for their wallets.  I&#8217;d be happy to discuss further if interested.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Impending Divorce by Pocket Centered Care &#171; Alternative Medicine &#171; RochesterChiros Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pocket Centered Care &#171; Alternative Medicine &#171; RochesterChiros Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 01:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] easily without medication or surgery.  But I do not like how some of my colleagues operate. So stop.  Seriously, it makes us all look bad.  If you are in pain and think a chiropractor can help, do [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Comprehension Comes Before Consent by tdaly</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point Dr. Duncan! I think more emphasis needs to be placed on the fact that the patient and the doctor are a team, working towards the patients health. I feel as though many people are hard wired to go along with whatever their doctor recommends regardless of whether or not they agree. Always glad to see other doctors interested in and working to change that paradigm- keep up the good work Dr. Duncan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point Dr. Duncan! I think more emphasis needs to be placed on the fact that the patient and the doctor are a team, working towards the patients health. I feel as though many people are hard wired to go along with whatever their doctor recommends regardless of whether or not they agree. Always glad to see other doctors interested in and working to change that paradigm- keep up the good work Dr. Duncan!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comprehension Comes Before Consent by Dr. Duncan</title>
		<link>http://kinslerpress.com/blog/2013/02/comprehension-comes-before-consent/#comment-50635</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this a lot too.  I especially hate it when patients don&#039;t know what to expect.  Either no goals were set with the patient, or the patient didn&#039;t agree and so didn&#039;t bother to remember.  Every treatment plan should have a goal outcome, and both the doctor and the patient should know if they are reaching their goals in a reasonable time.  If they aren&#039;t then the treatment isn&#039;t working as expected and should be re-evaluated.  When I ask if the treatment they have been getting is working I should get a better response than &quot;I don&#039;t know.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this a lot too.  I especially hate it when patients don&#8217;t know what to expect.  Either no goals were set with the patient, or the patient didn&#8217;t agree and so didn&#8217;t bother to remember.  Every treatment plan should have a goal outcome, and both the doctor and the patient should know if they are reaching their goals in a reasonable time.  If they aren&#8217;t then the treatment isn&#8217;t working as expected and should be re-evaluated.  When I ask if the treatment they have been getting is working I should get a better response than &#8220;I don&#8217;t know.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on What a Load of Crack by Dr. Duncan</title>
		<link>http://kinslerpress.com/blog/2013/01/what-a-load-of-crack/#comment-46020</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re not worried about being sued, (you should be) then let me at least tell you of some patient&#039;s stories.  At least once or twice a month I have someone walk into my office with their head cocked to the side saying, &quot;Doc, I can&#039;t move my head.&quot;  I usually know right away that they tried to &quot;crack&quot; their own neck.  This doesn&#039;t just happen in the neck.  It&#039;s true that the human body is very good at taking care of its self, and maybe 9 out of 10 times when you crack someone&#039;s back without the proper skill and knowledge nothing bad is going to happen, but that other time you can seriously injure someone.  

Now let&#039;s address what you did do.  Maybe you got lucky and things moved where they should, but more likely you just got a crack sound somewhere, but the joint that needed motion is still not moving as it should.  The person feels an endorphin rush and feels better for maybe 20 min. or so.  Then the pain comes back and they keep trying to crack it because it felt better the first time.  They may keep doing this until they develop another joint near the first problem, that is now moving too much.  So now you have 2 problems that are much more difficult to resolve.  There&#039;s so much more.  I think perhaps I&#039;ll go write my own blog post on the topic.  Let your chiropractor be the one to adjust you, and ask him what you CAN do on your own to provide relief.  He should have some great tips that won&#039;t end up hurting you or getting you sued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re not worried about being sued, (you should be) then let me at least tell you of some patient&#8217;s stories.  At least once or twice a month I have someone walk into my office with their head cocked to the side saying, &#8220;Doc, I can&#8217;t move my head.&#8221;  I usually know right away that they tried to &#8220;crack&#8221; their own neck.  This doesn&#8217;t just happen in the neck.  It&#8217;s true that the human body is very good at taking care of its self, and maybe 9 out of 10 times when you crack someone&#8217;s back without the proper skill and knowledge nothing bad is going to happen, but that other time you can seriously injure someone.  </p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s address what you did do.  Maybe you got lucky and things moved where they should, but more likely you just got a crack sound somewhere, but the joint that needed motion is still not moving as it should.  The person feels an endorphin rush and feels better for maybe 20 min. or so.  Then the pain comes back and they keep trying to crack it because it felt better the first time.  They may keep doing this until they develop another joint near the first problem, that is now moving too much.  So now you have 2 problems that are much more difficult to resolve.  There&#8217;s so much more.  I think perhaps I&#8217;ll go write my own blog post on the topic.  Let your chiropractor be the one to adjust you, and ask him what you CAN do on your own to provide relief.  He should have some great tips that won&#8217;t end up hurting you or getting you sued.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New year, New approach. by chiropractors Maroochydore</title>
		<link>http://kinslerpress.com/blog/2012/12/new-year-new-approach/#comment-41379</link>
		<dc:creator>chiropractors Maroochydore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 08:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. These are good tips to  accomplish people&#039;s new years Resolution. Thanks for sharing. Worth the Read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. These are good tips to  accomplish people&#8217;s new years Resolution. Thanks for sharing. Worth the Read.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ear Candling: Sure, It&#039;s Waxy, But Is It Good? by annette</title>
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		<dc:creator>annette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 04:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cant tell you how the candles work, but what I can tell you is that they DO work. When I was younger my step father who was a construction worker, always complained about not being able to hear well because of wax, small grains of concrete and other crap he would get in his ears. My mom began using the candles on him once a month and as a curious 12 year old kid, I along with my 7 other brothers and sisters would eagerly wait for the candles to be done and for my mom to pull them open and when she did the things we would see inside the wax was almost unbelievable. the candles would have wax, sand, tiny rocks and a few times there were even small gnats in them. fast forward to now and I use them on myself and my son. my son is 14 with severe Cerebral Palsy. he had tubes in his ears when he was 2 and once they were removed his ears started a never ending flow of ear wax. Its so bad that his right ear on multiple occassions was blocked all the way to the opening of the canal and the wax hardened so it was painful for us to even try to get it out. I let the doctor for it his way for quite some time and the constant regular ear wax removal kits and the flushing of his ears just wasnt working. My husband was a skeptic and wanted no part  at all in the candles he said &quot;Its crap and you are crazy!&quot; after I did them and showed him the results he was stunned. my sons pediatrician recommended that I use them once a month for my son and the best part was that my son was extremely calm during the process which is a huge plus because normally he is very defensive and fights us on everything because he is non-verbal and doesnt understand. So before you insist that there is just no possible way that they work and that us believers are tripping on some placebo effect maybe you should give them a try for yourselves. there is an obscene amount of things in our world that are unexplained so it is quite offensive for all of you non-believers to persist you know things for a fact that you dont. I am not a doctor nor am I anyone who would benefit in any way from sharing my story. I am just a mom who has witnessed these candles work first hand not only on my family members but on my own child. as far as them being dangerous....ofcourse there is always a risk but there is risk in everything like this. my sons pediatrician caused cuts and scrapes in my sons ears from trying to remove the wax in his office and it causes my son to be in pain and distress. the candles was a much more pleasant and helpful experience and my son was not in distreas nor did he get hurt so I beg to differ when you claim its stupid and ignorant and dangerous to use them. just like everything else, you use the appropriate precautions and you Will be fine and its just as safe as going to the doctor. in my case it was safer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant tell you how the candles work, but what I can tell you is that they DO work. When I was younger my step father who was a construction worker, always complained about not being able to hear well because of wax, small grains of concrete and other crap he would get in his ears. My mom began using the candles on him once a month and as a curious 12 year old kid, I along with my 7 other brothers and sisters would eagerly wait for the candles to be done and for my mom to pull them open and when she did the things we would see inside the wax was almost unbelievable. the candles would have wax, sand, tiny rocks and a few times there were even small gnats in them. fast forward to now and I use them on myself and my son. my son is 14 with severe Cerebral Palsy. he had tubes in his ears when he was 2 and once they were removed his ears started a never ending flow of ear wax. Its so bad that his right ear on multiple occassions was blocked all the way to the opening of the canal and the wax hardened so it was painful for us to even try to get it out. I let the doctor for it his way for quite some time and the constant regular ear wax removal kits and the flushing of his ears just wasnt working. My husband was a skeptic and wanted no part  at all in the candles he said &#8220;Its crap and you are crazy!&#8221; after I did them and showed him the results he was stunned. my sons pediatrician recommended that I use them once a month for my son and the best part was that my son was extremely calm during the process which is a huge plus because normally he is very defensive and fights us on everything because he is non-verbal and doesnt understand. So before you insist that there is just no possible way that they work and that us believers are tripping on some placebo effect maybe you should give them a try for yourselves. there is an obscene amount of things in our world that are unexplained so it is quite offensive for all of you non-believers to persist you know things for a fact that you dont. I am not a doctor nor am I anyone who would benefit in any way from sharing my story. I am just a mom who has witnessed these candles work first hand not only on my family members but on my own child. as far as them being dangerous&#8230;.ofcourse there is always a risk but there is risk in everything like this. my sons pediatrician caused cuts and scrapes in my sons ears from trying to remove the wax in his office and it causes my son to be in pain and distress. the candles was a much more pleasant and helpful experience and my son was not in distreas nor did he get hurt so I beg to differ when you claim its stupid and ignorant and dangerous to use them. just like everything else, you use the appropriate precautions and you Will be fine and its just as safe as going to the doctor. in my case it was safer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ear Candling: Sure, It&#039;s Waxy, But Is It Good? by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is amazingly funny.
Somehow &quot;my dog eats earwax&quot; is superior than people with microscopes who could check the junk and tell you its exact composition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is amazingly funny.<br />
Somehow &#8220;my dog eats earwax&#8221; is superior than people with microscopes who could check the junk and tell you its exact composition.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ear Candling: Sure, It&#039;s Waxy, But Is It Good? by TheReasonableOne</title>
		<link>http://kinslerpress.com/blog/2008/11/ear-candling-sure-its-waxy-but-is-it-good/#comment-37461</link>
		<dc:creator>TheReasonableOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just think about it, MD’s would lose their jobs with this product on the market.&quot;
I&#039;m sorry but that has to be one of the most idiotic statements I&#039;ve ever heard, lose their jobs? So all of the colds and flus and other illnesses would be cured because of some candle in your ear? I am not siding with the science or the reviews but David, you are an idiot, So candles can sure cancer?, how about you tell that to someone with a terminal form of cancer and see what they say.
Idiots</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just think about it, MD’s would lose their jobs with this product on the market.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m sorry but that has to be one of the most idiotic statements I&#8217;ve ever heard, lose their jobs? So all of the colds and flus and other illnesses would be cured because of some candle in your ear? I am not siding with the science or the reviews but David, you are an idiot, So candles can sure cancer?, how about you tell that to someone with a terminal form of cancer and see what they say.<br />
Idiots</p>
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